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So the book to movie "Memoirs of a Geisha" is coming out, and I've already heard on the news that it's getting Oscar attention. However, the newsguy pointed out that critics may be against it because the main characters are not Japanese, and the film was shot in a L.A. film studio. But really how authentic can they get since the book was written by a non-asian, and the characters will not be speaking in Japanese?
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Re: Memoirs of a Geisha
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 8:24 AMIt's getting reamed by the critics:
www.rottentomatoes.com/m/memo...geisha/
It could be worse, I guess. If it had gotten the true Hollywood treatment, the leads would have been Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Garner with black wigs on, prounouncing all of their "L's" as "R's." -
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Re: Memoirs of a Geisha
Sun, December 11, 2005 - 9:50 PMMy initial reaction to your comment was "that'd be so fcked up". My next reaction was "oh yeah, it's hollywood."
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Re: Memoirs of a Geisha
Sun, December 11, 2005 - 10:08 PMYes, did you see "Crash?" The immigrant Asian couple speaks to each other in Bloken Engrish instead of their native tongue with subtitles.
Remember it wasn't so long ago that Mickey Rooney put on a set of coke-bottle glasses and buck teeth to portray an Asian man. -
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Re: Memoirs of a Geisha
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Re: Memoirs of a Geisha
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 7:13 PMOr David Carradine as a Chinese man in "Kung Fu." -
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Re: Memoirs of a Geisha
Tue, December 13, 2005 - 8:11 AMWasn't Memoirs of a Geisha written by some white dude? Aside from the fact that I could give two shits about a geisha and her memoirs, i had a tough time getting into the story, as the narrative came across romanitcized and overly "Asian". Just picturing some lily white male, sitting behind a typewriter, on a story that's his idea of some corny mystic asian code had me laughing though.
Oh, and F**ck David Carradine too!
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Authenticity?
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 12:43 PMThat's some hypocritical stuff from critics, considering white people seem to be able to play any ethnicity and slaughter accents... -
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Re: Authenticity?
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 4:11 PM
That's a great point.
On a related point, one thing I've heard from a number of actors is that there isn't any role that a good actor shouldn't be allowed to play.
The opposite argument has often been used to exclude Asian Americans from non-ethnic-specific roles. Thus, the only time you'd see an Asian person on screen was when the script called for an Asian person on screen.
While I'm all about authenticity (ask me about my sushi preferences), it's hard for me to disagree with the notion that actors should be allowed to portray any character.
Now, this doesn't excuse an actor from racist, stereotypical portrayals/caricatures, which is a whole separate issue. That's because you either were to lazy to do your homework, were ill-equiped to handle such a role, or were just being an ass.
On another note, Lee Herrick is calling for a boycott of the film:
apapoetry.blogspot.com/2005/1...06.html
I think he brings up a lot of great points, and I generally agree with them all. This movie sounds pretty fucked up, and the only reason I'd see it is out of curiosity. What I disagree with, however, is the notion of a boycott, because abstractly, I think's a dangerous path to go down.
With any piece of work out there (however misguided it may be), I'd advocate for having folks go and experience it for themselves, so that they can form their own opinions that are based on the work itself, and not on someone else's interpretation.
Interestingly enough, folks called for a boycott of Eric Byler's Charlotte Sometimes b/c they perceived it to de-sexualize Asian American men. Likewise, folks called for a boycott of Justin Lin's Better Luck Tomorrow b/c they thought it exploited a real-life incident.
Whether or not these films do fall in line with their criticisms is a whole other debate, but one that you can really only engage in if you've actually seen/experienced the work. -
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Re: Authenticity?
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 4:12 PMSome other folks have some interesting takes:
Margaret Cho:
www.asiaarts.ucla.edu/article.asp
Poplicks:
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Re: Authenticity?
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 5:24 PMThanks for posting the articles. I think the both give great points of view on the issue. Especially Margaret Cho's standpoint. She always tells it like it is. -
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Re: Authenticity?
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 5:38 PMI think there was a time when I would have totally discounted Margaret Cho's viewpoint as one that's simply trying to "play nice" b/c she's in a position where she needs to be careful about what she says.
But I think while we'd all love to see Asian faces more incorporated into the mainstream media (tv, film, news, magazines, etc...) just like "normal" folks, the reality is that we're at a point where simply having good Asian actors on-screen in a major, studio-backed production isn't something to sneeze at. -
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Re: Authenticity?
Mon, January 2, 2006 - 7:48 PMThis article has been making the rounds:
Geishas Gone Wild
by Chi Tung
There are few things worse than seeing your favorite Asian men and women be subjected to the drone of the Hollywood factory. Actually, there are at least ten. APA counts down the reasons why Memoirs of a Geisha is such an abysmal failure.
10 things we hate about Memoirs of a Geisha:
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Re: Authenticity?
Mon, January 2, 2006 - 11:08 PMBelieve it or not, I'm not looking for articles/reviews about this film. They just seem to find me.
Here's one from Kimberly Chun from the SF Bay Guardian:
Race is the place
Memoirs of a Geisha does more than just offend its Asian American viewers – it rhapsodizes the disappearing Asian actress.
www.sfbg.com/40/13/art_film_race.html
On another note, one of the films to make Kimberly's "We love hopeless love" films of the year was Brokeback Mountain, by Ang Lee. I saw it a few weeks ago, and it was an excellent, excellent film. The cast was quite brilliant, and all the hype around Heath Ledger's performance was well deserved.
Ang, I forgive you for that whole Hulk thing. -
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Re: Authenticity?
Tue, January 17, 2006 - 5:39 PMThink of how totally different Memoir's would be if Ang Lee directed it. It's not like he hasn't done period pieces before, like "Sense and Sensibility." In the directors commentary of that movie he commented on how he enjoyed the finding sheep for the film. Maybe there wasn't enough sheep in Memoir's script for him. -
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Re: Authenticity?
Wed, January 18, 2006 - 9:27 PMI work at the library and someone just returned the novel today. I opened it and there was a newspaper clipping inside the front cover. The paper had an article on it about the novel and featured a Japanese woman (a real-life geisha, I assume, I didn't read the whole article) claiming that the author totally misrepresented the geisha culture. She was supposed to be a major source of his research for the novel, yet she says the final product focused too much on sex, which is not what she intended her info to be used for. I just slipped the article back into the front cover, so that everyone who checks that book out will be able to see it.
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